Summer Staycation Interruptus or The Marinwood Report
July 15, 2008
I was just minding my own business and working on being tan, ready, and rested when all hell breaks loose in my own community over the whole Marinwood Plaza plan. Long-time readers of this blog know that I have special interest in what happens to that eyesore of a plaza just off the Marinwood exit. Living in Marinwood, I need a market that I can walk to and everyone in Marinwood agrees with me on that, but the feeling of unity disintegrates after that.
What got me out of the soaking pool? A couple of weeks ago I received an email announcing what would be last night’s meeting from the Marinwood Village Task Force. Then there is an email from the CSD saying that the task force is not a part of the CSD and a mailer from the county stating their position. Oh.oh. someone or the entire Marinwood Village Task Force has gone rogue. This meeting could be very, very entertaining.Â
Last night’s meeting did not disappoint and the six dollars (all the cash I had on me) I pitched in for the venue was well spent. Even getting the space at the Marinwood Community Center apparently sparked controversy last night. Much ado was made by the meeting’s organizers that they were forced to pay $600 for the venue for this community meeting. CSD Boardmembers, Bruce Anderson and Tarey Read explained to me that since the Marinwood Village Task Force no longer was an official task force, they no longer qualified for free rental. Given the reaction of the crowd last night, following the letter of the CSD regulations may have not been the best political move. I talked with folks that stated that meetings that had to do with community business have always been offered free rental and questioned why all of the sudden the CSD Board chose to be a stickler on this occasion. If meetings are about community business and since the community owns the venue, it makes sense that they would get the venue free. That is just me. I think that it would be up to the community to decide what types of meetings should get a fee waiver, since it is in their interest to collect fees or have free space to deal with community issues.
It has since been brought to my attention that the rental was not $600 as was stated last night but $65. To think the task force passed around the jar for contributions based on the $600 figure. Maybe we should start serving liquor at these things — sort of the American-Irish Bar method of arriving at concensus. Get drunk and fight. Then cry, hug, and declare eternal brotherhood while in line for the bathroom. I’m just saying.
About 125 or 150 people showed up last night.
One of the great things about going to these meetings is running into familiar faces from the neighborhood and meeting new ones. Former candidate for District 1 supervisor and veteran local land use activist, Carol Brandt was there last night. She was one of the early advocates to get something done with the Marinwood Plaza and it was interesting to get her take on how this process was or was not progressing.
All the usual players in the Marinwood Plaza/Village universe showed up last night except our supervisor, Susan Adams. Susan was representing Marin at a national conference and sent an aide in her place. From the task force we had Dave Green, Frank Nelson, Cyane Dandridge (also on the Marinwood CSD board), Cameron Case, Geoff Mack, Dave Mitchell (also on the Marinwood CSD board). From the County we had Brian Crawford and Tom Lai. Peter Brandon from Trammell Crow, the developer who is a local resident here was there. As I mentioned before, Bruce Anderson and Tarey Read was there from the Marinwood CSD Board. A lot of people have invested an enormous amounts of their lives to this issue, which explains the contentiousness last night.
The taskforce talked about there being three bubbles of interests in this whole development process: The Owner/Developer, The County, and the Community.
By the end of this meeting it appeared that there were at least 4 bubbles (perhaps more! Maybe I get my own bubble) as there were various opinions within the community bubble. This meeting was supposedly spawned by a presentation on May 7th, 2008 to the task force of three proposed designs at the cost of $55k, but I have been told that they had already planned this meeting prior to that meeting.
One plan Peter Brandon presented featured 50 units of single family housing and 20 units of apartments, which seemed to be viewed favorably in the audience last night. The next plan featured 100 units, that conforms to the Marin County’s Countywide Plan limit for infill housing. The third plan features a podium design where a parking garage is built underground and cars enter and exit at ground-level while residential units and whatever retail lives ground level and up.
The owner and developer are favoring a project with podium parking, but to cover the enormous costs of building it they would have to build anywhere from 130-150 units. Tom Lai from County Planning reminded everyone that in order for 130-150 units to go through, they would have to amend the plan that was passed by the Board of Supervisors.
Podium parking’s stated benefits is that it would offer plenty of parking which would address concerns over parking by those who live closest to the development. The plan with 100 units is favored by Marin County because that is the number that satisfies their need to get affordable housing. It seems from last night there were some residents that would tolerate the 70 unit plan as the best they can hope for in order to get a market and to rid the community of the rampant 5 acre blight that infects us courtesy of Jerry Hoytt. Thanks Jer.
JUST SO YOU KNOW
Yes. It is true. As I reported a while back, Jerry Hoytt still owns Marinwood Plaza. He is just in a “very long escrow” with Trammell Crow, the developers.
On June 8th, Susan Adams and the county asked Dave Early to come up with refined plan. The entire plan will cost $110,000 which includes 25k for the traffic study for the development. According to Bruce Anderson they will release a traffic study within the next week or so. On August 14th there will be a walk through with the county in regards to the streets around the project. Sometime in September there should be a full presentation to the community.The traffic study is flawed since it counts people turning right on Blackstone and continuing on Miller Creek after Las Gallinas as members of the community, instead of sophisticated freeway jumpers knowing how to avoid the Miller Creek Middle School traffic. Yet, it did find that there are over 1700 additional cars in the study area that do not belong there each day.
There was some questions as to what exactly was in the contract between Hoytt and Trammell Crow. Peter Brandon of Trammell Crow was on hand last night to clarify that their contract did not include any mention of 130 units, but is prevented from saying anything else about the contents of the contract because of a non-disclosure agreement.
The current state of the economy is throwing a wrench into the whole mix. Developers fund projects on debt, and the current loan industry are just not making project loans as of three weeks ago.
It appears that the dragging of feet has lost us the chance to get Oliver’s Market in Marinwood. They will be replacing the Safeway store space in Ignacio. How will that effect our ability to attract a market given Ignacio will have Oliver’s and Nave Boulvard will have the uber-Safeway?
On August 1st, a clean up of the toxic spillage from the dry cleaners plan will be presented to the Water Control District. I am hoping that they follow through with the thorough demolishing of the entire existing center in order to do the clean up. That mall building is so very ugly on so many levels and all that we would be left with dead weeds and drug dealers — an improvement.
Claims were made that reading the Countywide Plan (the one that relies on Marinwood to help out with the affordable housing problem along with Marin City) was good if you want to fall asleep. Personally, I found it enthralling reading. Does that make me weird?
CASA MARINWOOD REPRESENT, YO
About 25 or 30 people from Casa Marinwood showed up. A representative from Casa Marinwood spoke to their concerns with a development right next door to their own dense residential community. Casa Marinwood will suffer if what is proposed is poorly designed especially when it comes to parking and traffic. The fact that Marinwood Avenue is actually a cul de sac poses special problems for traffic flow. Casa Marinwood itself with less density than what is planned across the street from them does not have enough parking.
Another problem with the Marinwood Village concept is that the density does not allow for any space for residents’ kids to play or swim.
We have yet to hear anything about the Oakview project and the assisted living facility that will be built and accessible from Marinwood Avenue. We don’t know whether it will be a foot bridge or if the cul de sac will be expanded to the facility. Another Casa Marinwood resident spoke that he would support the 70 unit solution to get a market and was able to elicit a good show of hands.
AFFORDABLE HOUSING HUB-BUB-BALOO
I could tell by being in the audience that there were people who attended because their concerns about affordable housing will be in the plan. They see affordable housing being the same thing as section 8 housing. What eluded them is that affordable housing means you have to earn 45k to 90k a year to afford the $1300 /month rent. That is not section 8. You could also hear mumbling over having renters and occupancy of apartments by people with multiple cars. Other residents had no problem with the affordable housing as long as it was truly workforce housing for our firemen, police, teachers, and other county employees. Is there any way to guarantee that the renters or buyers will actually be part of the local workforce or people who commute to San Francisco?
“That’s what happened to Hamilton” - Overheard last night after it was said that this would be only workforce housing. Apparently, these folks are concerned about an increase of crime in Hamilton and worry we will be the next Hamilton.
From Susan’s office has this to say on the amount of affordable housing and who would be able to afford it in their July 2008 Newsletter:
“Twenty percent is automatically required in unincorporated Marin for developments, but more can be achieved through partnerships with foundations, tax credits, working with nonprofit
housing organizations and state and local housing funds. The general plan states up to 50% of the units could be affordable…but the percentage will depend in the financial package that is able to be
achieved and the affordability levels can roughly range from very low income (less than 40% - 60% of the median income); low income (60% - 80% of the median income); and moderate income (80% to 120% of the median income). In Marin the median income has ranged between $92,000 to $96,000 per year, so a family earning $95,000 per year could qualify for the moderate income affordable units.”
It will be safe to say that affordable housing is not a problem.
YOU SAY YOU WANT A REVOLUTION
I heard calls in the crowd for Susan Adams to be recalled, but I am not sure how serious people were, but it is an indication how charged the evening was.
Susie Cohen stood up and supported the Village Task Force and didn’t trust Susan Adams.
There were claims by the organizers that the process has turned from collaboration to circumvention. Circumvention was mentioned more than once. The county was accused of being really great at planning, process, and more planninng but no so good in the “action” department. Oooh. Snap!
Also heard last night — If the community doesn’t “rise up” there will be more weeds and more drug dealing (!!!).
AS IF YOU ASKED FOR MY OPINION…
Will we get our market? If you want to know, you are better off asking a magic 8-ball. ASK AGAIN LATER.
I signed something last night in support of the Task Force that was going to Susan Adams. I did it out of a sense of being neighborly and I do support the concept of a community task force being involved with the process. I am not sure who should be on that task force, but a wide variety of residents should be included. I am not sure who is right. It is possible that everyone is wrong, except me.
I, for one, would like to see these drawings Trammell Crow came up with. There are people who say that these drawings are not ready for the public to see since they are still in flux. As I see it, I would like to know what the developer is thinking about knowing that it isn’t set in stone. For now, all we see are out-of-date drawings we know are not in the running anymore. One of the main frustrations for me has been that the majority of Marinwood residents have no idea what is going on and there has not been enough transparency or communication with residents. Until recently, I had not heard about marinwoodvillage.net and the Marinwood Association site hasn’t been updated in awhile. I know as much as I do because I doggedly ask for more information. I am telling you that the majority of Marinwood residents have absolutely no idea about what is going on. This process was supposed to be about community involvement.
I am often scolded that I just do not understand or I am not fully informed. It is not my fault if those things are true. Last night really didn’t help. It created more questions than were answered.
I remain concerned with any plan that permanently losing badly needed commercial/retail zoning. This community has relinquished so much commercial space over the years. Whether the zoning is changed under the guise of multi-use or straight residential, it still represents a loss to the community. Marinwood Plaza, Casa Marinwood, and everything to Las Gallinas was once zoned commercial/retail as Hoytt promised us in his 1955 brochure.
Wouldn’t it be better to be able to take care of all of our errands without having to go on 101 instead of adding more people on 101?
There is an argument in waiting out the Hoytts until we what we really want and not buy into accepting residential in order to get our market. Let the blight be his legacy.
I am also concerned that traffic issues haven’t been taken care of. Caltrans wants Marinwood to help take traffic off 101, so they will be no help to us. Apparently, Susan Adams got some funding to put stop signs to discourage freeway jumpers. In the long term, some sort of traffic circle may be put in at the intersection at Miller Creek and Marinwood. I am unclear how this would increase traffic safety and as someone who lives near that intersection I don’t see how that would make things better for residents living in the Stones or Casa Marinwood. If we are to accept our role as Caltran’s overflow for 101, is it really wise to add a development that would add more cars?
Officially I am in no particular camp. I love and respect my neighbors — even those I disagree with. I am holding out for the best deal. I haven’t heard it yet.
I welcome everyone to register and post your views here. I am genuinely interested in your ideas, disagreements, and your inevitable praise.

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July 16th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
The rental fee was only fifty-five dollars, and at least two members of the “task force” present knew that–the one who wrote the rental agreement and the one who wrote the check.
I think you meant “elicit”. “Illicit” must have been a freudian slip given the context!
July 16th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
Caught! Caught with my slip showing.
July 17th, 2008 at 12:40 am
I was not at the meeting so I appreciate your posting. From my personal involvement with the process history and what I heard from some other people about the meeting, it seems you really covered all the issues (good and bad and the gray areas in-between). The only comment I have is that the reason why the project is not in construction is because of economics and nothing else. No one has been dragging their heals: developer/owner negotiations have been multiple and lengthy (as is usual); the County does not make the official application, the developer does (so they can not force the project); and finally, now matter what the Community wants or will stand for, if a developer won’t fund it it’s not going to exist. At some point, no matter who the owner is people will have to decide whether they want it to be an empty lot or are willing to accept what a developer can afford to build. Currently, even very attractive building projects are not getting funded, ones that are much more profitable than this one. It may be a long time before any financing becomes available for a small site like this.
I hope you won’t mind my posting a statement I just sent to the Marinwood Berries email list. Apparently, I was the target for some of the mudslinging at the meeting and have addressed it as follows. Thanks for your indulgence:
Neighbors,
There have been a number of unfortunate misrepresentations recently circulated in the Marinwood community.
I am writing to clear the air. Please note the following:
1.) The Charter of the Marinwood Community Services District (”CSD”) covers the following local government services: Fire Protection, Parks and Recreation, and Street Lighting. Taxes available to the CSD (a small portion of your property taxes collected by the County and then distributed back to Marinwood) are for these purposes only. The CSD is not chartered nor funded to provide any Planning or Building approvals or functions. Planning and Building Permit review fall completely under the auspices of the County Government. The “Marin Community Development Agency” is the agency that handles these issues, not the CSD. This is true for planning applications by individual homeowners for single family residences as well as for larger sites like the Marinwood Shopping Center.
2.) The Marinwood CSD does not have an affiliation with the Marinwood Village Task Force. This has been confirmed by the attorney for the CSD and reconfirmed in a Resolution by the Board of Directors. Given that the CSD has no regulatory authority over any proposals for development at the Marinwood Shopping Center site and that there is no connection with the Task Force, the Board Members of the CSD, themselves, do not have any “Conflict of Interest” issues in this area.
3.) As a Director on the CSD Board, I do not have any Conflict of Interest issues with Planning proposals within Marinwood (specifically regarding the Marinwood Shopping Center site) as those are not under the jurisdiction of the Board. It should be noted that all but one (Tarey Read) of the current Board Directors have been on the Marinwood Village Task Force at some time. Currently, Directors David Mitchell and Cyane Dandridge are still on the Task Force.
4.) Outside of my position as a CSD Board Director, I was a member of the Marinwood Village Task Force between 2005 and 2007 (my CSD Board Term actually began in August of 2006). I resigned from the Task Force in December of 2007 because I anticipated doing work for the current developer, Trammell Crow, as an Architect on the project. Clearly to have been on the Task Force and working for the developer would have been a conflict of interest so I was pro-active in stepping down. Another member of the Task Force also stepped down for the same reason at that time. Since March of 2008, I have not provided any architecture services to Trammell Crow and currently have no contract with them to do so. I am not involved with the current planning process from either the side of the Task Force nor the Developer. As a member of the public I remain personally interested in what is developed there but have no more influence than any of my neighbors in what the result will be. I retain my right as a neighbor to voice my personal opinion in any public forums.
5.) The Marinwood CSD faces difficult times ahead in its mandate to oversee its responsibilities for Fire, Parks and Recreation, and Street Lighting. Given the economic climate and predictions, increased costs and liabilities, and an aging infrastructure that needs replacing, the CSD budget is stretched thin and will likely continue to be so. I became a Director because I wanted to serve in a volunteer role in my community (CSD Directors are not paid positions) to address these issues that directly affect our quality of life and the value of our community. I intend to address the CSD’s charter issues to the best of my abilities. It is important that the business of the CSD focus on its charter since our funding is specifically directed to be spent on those issues and not other areas, such as planning and development, that have their own funding in the County. Should the voters want to change the Charter then the proper process should be followed to do so and we should find a way to fund those new areas.
Please let me know if you have any further questions regarding this or, better yet, if you would like to discuss the CSD’s challenges in the future.
Regards,
Bill Hansell
info@hanselldesign.com
July 17th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
I received the following email from Frank Nelson of the Marinwood Village Task Force:
On behalf of the Marinwood Village Task Force I want to thank you for attending the July 14th Community Meeting and for expressing your views and ideas.
The turnout and the support for the Task Force and for moving the process forward to bring a market to the community is just what the doctor ordered.
At the end of the day this is not a “he said she said” exercise.
Creating a viable project is not rocket science—it is a function of economics and community acceptance.
What the evidence to date suggests (from two developers and community feed back) is that a 70/20 plan (total of 70 units with 20% affordable included) meets the two key criteria for a successful project.
Two crucial variables for the Marinwood Village project are the price of the land and the % of affordable housing—because these affect the economics of the project.
The best thing you can do to help move the project forward and get us closer to a market is to write to the Supervisor requesting that the county and/or the developer provide the rationale for increasing the 70/20 numbers. If the rationale holds up under scrutiny then there is a reason to revisit a 70/20 plan.
Engaging in other topics before these two numbers are resolved only serves to further delay the project.
Supervisor Susan Adams can be reached by email at SAdams@co.marin.ca.us
Thanks again for your support of the Task Force and your continued interest in bringing a market to the community. As long as you continue to provide support we shall continue our efforts to bring a market back to the community.
Frank Nelson, Chair, Marinwood Village Task Force
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Discuss.
July 23rd, 2008 at 7:58 am
Dear neighbors,
Most of you have seen recent IJ articles about new Peets Coffee and Toast Café at Hamilton, as well as about the remodel of Pacheco Plaza which will most likely include an upscale grocer. Novato is on the move. Our two Northgate malls are under renovation and reinvention.
Meanwhile, we sit with the continuing deterioration of the derelict Marinwood Plaza. We all agree on this: we want a renovated plaza with a nice grocery store and gathering place in our neighborhood. We meet, we discuss, we agree, we disagree. We have ideas, the practical, the impractical, the idealistic. This has been going on for years. Yet nothing will happen there until the owner, Jerry Hoytt, is ready to sell for a fair price.
I suggest that we each communicate to our county representatives in writing with our concerns and complaints about the litter, the dumping, the graffiti, the weeds, the drug deals, and other law enforcement issues. Let’s expect our county code enforcers, supervisors, and sheriff’s office to take continuing proactive action. I suggest including pictures and documentation of specific incidents.
Regards, Kathie Gaines
Quietwood Drive